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	<title>Comments on: What Is Free Will? (Or, Does the Nominal Believer Really Believe?)</title>
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	<description>Veritas Pulchritudo Est</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Triplett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Triplett</dc:creator>
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		<description>Both Aristotle and John Calvin would be proud of you!

Mainly, the hard things to account for in contemplating these ideas are: what about those who do seemingly great things? Are we willing to say that Ghandi was ultimately selfish? Ghandi&#039;s actions were not necessarily aligned with a religion, nor was he acting in his own self-interest (of course, one could argue that we don&#039;t know his true intentions, which is a valid point, but this would be speculative at best). 

I really appreciate your point on the rewards/consequences model of salvation however. Thinking critically about our motives for salvation is a very healthy thing...especially in the Church. Many people consider salvation in a selfish manner...which really flies in the face of many of Jesus&#039; teachings. 

One thing I would like for you to further delve into (because the determinism vs. free-will debate is something I&#039;ve been especially interested in lately, on a personal level): how do you account for responsibility in a deterministic mode, both on an individual and communal level? 

Also, if salvation is somehow connected with reason/knowledge, how does one account for the community of the mentally challenged? 

Lastly, there is a subset of culture which tends to run counter to normally accepted logical ends, beginning with the author of Ecclesiastes...those who equate strife, pain, difficulty, etc...with beauty or gain. I think there are answers here which get overlooked, especially in our self-focused culture.</description>
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<p>Mainly, the hard things to account for in contemplating these ideas are: what about those who do seemingly great things? Are we willing to say that Ghandi was ultimately selfish? Ghandi&#8217;s actions were not necessarily aligned with a religion, nor was he acting in his own self-interest (of course, one could argue that we don&#8217;t know his true intentions, which is a valid point, but this would be speculative at best). </p>
<p>I really appreciate your point on the rewards/consequences model of salvation however. Thinking critically about our motives for salvation is a very healthy thing&#8230;especially in the Church. Many people consider salvation in a selfish manner&#8230;which really flies in the face of many of Jesus&#8217; teachings. </p>
<p>One thing I would like for you to further delve into (because the determinism vs. free-will debate is something I&#8217;ve been especially interested in lately, on a personal level): how do you account for responsibility in a deterministic mode, both on an individual and communal level? </p>
<p>Also, if salvation is somehow connected with reason/knowledge, how does one account for the community of the mentally challenged? </p>
<p>Lastly, there is a subset of culture which tends to run counter to normally accepted logical ends, beginning with the author of Ecclesiastes&#8230;those who equate strife, pain, difficulty, etc&#8230;with beauty or gain. I think there are answers here which get overlooked, especially in our self-focused culture.</p>
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